2023-07-11 09:57:14 <crc         > casket-http is updated in the repository & running the various retroforth servers now
2023-07-11 09:57:33 <crc         > https://forth.works/casket-report.txt is a summary of the changes
2023-07-11 10:58:56 <drakonis    > excellent
2023-07-11 10:59:04 <drakonis    > is it safe to link it now?
2023-07-11 10:59:58 <veltas      > crc: Did you consider doing this the C way? Where it's buffered in software so the "write one byte" word doesn't actually do anything until end of line or full buffer
2023-07-11 11:01:33 <veltas      > That is a nice performance gain
2023-07-11 11:26:37 <crc         > drakonis: should be good to link to
2023-07-11 11:26:54 <drakonis    > cool
2023-07-11 11:31:27 <crc         > veltas: I hadn't considered that, but it does make sense. I'll look into adding support for buffering.
2023-07-11 11:37:57 <veltas      > The downside is you need to flush
2023-07-11 11:38:21 <veltas      > And specify when you don't want buffering
2023-07-11 11:40:30 <veltas      > I think it's legit to just leave it out as a choice of taste
2023-07-11 11:41:09 <veltas      > But I do think that things like flush/sync are just 'expected' from any performant I/O interface at this point
2023-07-11 12:23:45 <drakonis    > i've posted it to lobsters
2023-07-11 12:44:43 <crc         > peaked at 942 connections, it's still up and responding :)
2023-07-11 13:03:20 <drakonis    > nice.
2023-07-11 13:03:39 <drakonis    > time to put it in hn
2023-07-11 13:05:01 <drakonis    > here we go
2023-07-11 13:35:53 <crc         > that's hitting harder; peaked at 1421 connections (still at 241 in process)
2023-07-11 13:54:26 <crc         > not holding up as well under the pressure from hn; load average is staying between 60-75, with about 260 connections
2023-07-11 13:58:57 <veltas      > Do you think there's room for making it tolerant of HN?
2023-07-11 13:59:35 <drakonis    > hn hammered it very hard
2023-07-11 13:59:40 <veltas      > I mark this as a victory, I mean lots of 'enterprise' frameworks can't perform this well under HN attention
2023-07-11 14:00:01 <crc         > it's better than before; last time the server was completely unresponsive for a
2023-07-11 14:00:10 <drakonis    > lol even got dang replies
2023-07-11 14:00:37 <drakonis    > small victories?
2023-07-11 14:00:38 <crc         > about two hours; this time it's slow, but I'm able to watch the processes launch & end via top(1)
2023-07-11 14:01:06 <drakonis    > the hn post has been up for almost an hour
2023-07-11 14:01:08 <veltas      > Is the logo a PNG?
2023-07-11 14:01:26 <drakonis    > the hn post for 1 hour and 30 minutes
2023-07-11 14:01:30 <drakonis    > lobsters
2023-07-11 14:01:33 <drakonis    > rather
2023-07-11 14:01:39 <veltas      > I wonder if it would load faster as an SVG?
2023-07-11 14:02:21 <crc         > maybe; it's a png, 16kb in size
2023-07-11 14:03:07 <drakonis    > should i subject factor's website to this next?
2023-07-11 14:03:16 <drakonis    > i couldnt submit the url previously
2023-07-11 14:03:58 <veltas      > crc: Does it send anything compressed?
2023-07-11 14:04:19 <crc         > veltas: no
2023-07-11 14:04:45 <veltas      > Maybe that's worth doing, of course only if you pre-compress it, I'd expect compressing to make it slower on demand
2023-07-11 14:19:14 <drakonis    > still being hammered hard innit
2023-07-11 14:24:27 <crc         > yes; still at around 120 connections and a 30-40 load
2023-07-11 14:26:00 <veltas      > How do you decide when to end a connection early?
2023-07-11 14:26:19 <veltas      > Or is that handled by the OS?
2023-07-11 14:27:18 <crc         > timelimit(1) is used to cap runtimes, and I have a shell script that kills processes that appear to be hung (runs every 6 minutes via cron)
2023-07-11 14:35:02 <drakonis    > what's the specs for the server hosting the website?
2023-07-11 14:35:04 <drakonis    > and which OS?
2023-07-11 14:38:20 <veltas      > Is there a process per connection or one process for all connections?
2023-07-11 14:41:43 <veltas      > crc: Do you know which font the logo was made with?
2023-07-11 14:41:53 <veltas      > (if it was made with a font)
2023-07-11 14:42:41 <drakonis    > there's a lot of ways to make it scale better
2023-07-11 14:43:11 <drakonis    > hm, its still at the top of the frontpage in hn
2023-07-11 14:45:12 <crc         > It's a nanode instance on linode, running FreeBSD 13.2
2023-07-11 14:45:26 <drakonis    > oh
2023-07-11 14:45:28 <drakonis    > of course.
2023-07-11 14:45:55 <drakonis    > that does explain a bit
2023-07-11 14:45:57 <crc         > One process per connection, started by inetd
2023-07-11 14:45:59 <drakonis    > nanodes only have a single cpu, right?
2023-07-11 14:46:13 <crc         > Yes
2023-07-11 14:49:35 <veltas      > What's the overhead for each process?
2023-07-11 14:54:34 <crc         > 19mb ram and about 3-6% CPU based on output from top(1).
2023-07-11 14:55:17 <veltas      > I wonder how much of that is shared
2023-07-11 15:15:35 <drakonis    > crc: a question someone asked on another channel, why is retro called retro
2023-07-11 15:16:10 <drakonis    > or rather, why was it called retro in the first place when the previous author originally chose a name?
2023-07-11 15:18:15 <crc         > From the manual, http://fossils.retroforth.org:8000/nga/file?name=doc/book/tech-notes/historical-papers&ci=tip has an old email on this
2023-07-11 15:22:06 <crc         > The relevant part is: "I was telling a fellow musician about my ideas, how it would be cool to have a small OS that isn't bloated and unmanageable like Windows... go back to the 70's and resurrect a line of software that died out. He goes "hmm.. sounds kinda retro..""
2023-07-11 15:24:08 <drakonis    > heh
2023-07-11 15:39:18 <crc         > Still getting hammered, but this is the first time that it hasn't been so loaded down that I couldn't connect to the server and keep an eye on it.
2023-07-11 15:41:32 <crc         > I should look at setting up a more capable server instance at some point.
2023-07-11 16:21:23 <veltas      > I think the free tier on Oracle is better than that, there are other 'free' providers as well if you don't want Oracle
2023-07-11 16:21:44 <veltas      > Opportunity to make some savings albeit small
2023-07-11 16:30:27 <drakonis    > there are other good providers, yeah.
2023-07-11 16:30:42 <drakonis    > i have a nanode but i'm not using it to host anything heavyweight
2023-07-11 17:44:54 <drakonis    > impressive, its still in the front page
2023-07-11 19:29:04 <crc         > veltas: re: font; I think it was derived from a predecessor to Bank Gothic or New Academy
2023-07-11 19:29:44 <crc         > it's hard to recall for sure; the image was created somewhere between 2004-2007